I have received a few messages and questions from readers about my absence from froknowsphoto. I got word a few days ago from Jared that he doesn't want me to post on his website or nurture the community I started in July anymore. I don't know if that will change in the future. I am also unsure if I will start my own series of photography videos or not. Its a lot of work, no matter how rewarding it is when I see others get so much out of it.
Everyone is still welcome to contact me with questions or photography advice, the best place is on my facebook page. If or when things change I will definitely let you know though all the usual social media channels.
[EDIT] I've read all of the comments so far and I need to make a few things clear. I encouraged Jared to join a business networking group called LeTip in his area for quite a while before he finally joined, with myself as his sponsor. From that group he met a few people and ended up photographing an internet marketing event in DC. Then at that event he decided to setup the blog and videos on YouTube. Many other ideas that the website uses were/are mine. The main one is the forum and budding community of users. Jared decided to create the website and I had ideas, knowledge, technical experience, photographic expertise and drive help it succeed.
[EDIT 3] Thank you all for the well wishes. It seems the original thread was removed from the forum, here are the posts.
TOPIC: So Greg is gone??
TomShootsPhoto: Greg just tweeted:
End of the line... Why I've been absent from @froknowsphoto ow.ly/4IiaH
On his website he wrote:
I have received a few messages and questions from readers about my absence from froknowsphoto. I got word a few days ago from Jared that he doesn't want me to post on his website or nurture the community I started in July anymore. I don't know if that will change in the future. I am also unsure if I will start my own series of photography videos or not. Its a lot of work, no matter how rewarding it is when I see others get so much out of it.
Everyone is still welcome to contact me with questions or photography advice, the best place is on my facebook page. If or when things change I will definitely let you know though all the usual social media channels.
So i guess that he won't be on the site anymore??? Or will he still be on the show? Because the last show we have seen him was #8....
What do you think ?
Panda Jerk: That sucks, i like Greg way better than Jared.
TomShootsPhoto: Yeah that really sux. I assume that Jared "fired" Greg? ...
Panda Jerk: i have a feeling this isn't going to go over real well within the community. I have seen a lot of people post they like Gregs videos better... Like they connect better to Greg....we'll see.
Gampfer: I completely agree. Greg offered a technical side that Jared fails to deliver. I often feel that Jared's opinions and biases come into play and affect the knowledge he is trying to convey. Greg is clearly a technically oriented photog and is able to back up his knowledge with principle and thoughtful opinion.
Greg, you will be missed.
-Gampfer
JGiraud: Agreed...This is not how you treat your friends...
TomShootsPhoto: Greg was different, he was more helpful than the FRO, sometimes it feels like that the fro just want views like "plz rt" at the ends on his tweets.
Susan: This indeed sucks. Big time.
TomShootsPhoto: Wonder what happened between Jared and Greg .... Or why Jared did so.
Panda Jerk: IMO Greg has more to offer. He made the videos that actually help people. I watch Jared's videos for purely entertainment.
TomShootsPhoto: Agree. I wish Greg would've made a video about histograms, Jared can't read them.
Panda Jerk: LOL shoot i can make a video about histograms! PandaJerkKnowsPhoto.com.gov.co.uk.co.ca.net.org.edu?
TomShootsPhoto: Hahaha that would be great
rrowan: This is sad. If this is permanent than it will hurt this site. When I first found this site I just wanted to listen to the Fro and later I warmed up to Greg and began to understand the more detail he was offering. Jared is great and fun but at times Greg provided a lot more detail.
Too much contrast Jared
Wonder how long this topic will stay open?
Rick R.
TomShootsPhoto: Long i guess .... Greg know the technical sid to photography, which comes very handy.
Dave 123: Greg is watching this topic yet he won't reply. It's sad what is happening and it won't be the same without greg. Dave
TomShootsPhoto: Greg, we will miss you.
ff112173: I caution all not to compare apples and oranges. I will truly miss Greg but I won't slam Jared for the separation because I am not privy to the details of the situation. I wish Greg well and will continue to follow him as best I can through Twitter and Facebook.
Let's all wish Greg and Jared well going forward and hope the situation between them is resolved. They have different styles of shooting and teaching that we all can learn from. We should be careful not to judge their personal or business relationship.
sic0048: I agree as well. Jared is great, but doesn't like getting into the technical aspect of photography (sometimes to his detriment IMHO), were as Greg was willing to teach some of the more technical aspects (like lighting and editing). I certainly have learned more from Greg's video and from other forum members than I have from anything Jared has done.
hashboogie: Wow that sucks. I wonder what happened. Hopefully Jared will address this soon.
TomShootsPhoto: me too.
Bmoran: I think the site will suffer. For what ever the real reason for the split, I strongly erge Jared to reconcider. Jared is good at what he does and Greg is good at what he does. Together they make this a terrific site
sahguerreiro: I really don't mind who's better, who makes better videos.. All parts will loose, specially the two of them 'cuz they are friends for a long time, and it's just sad to know that something is pulling them apart. All we can do is wait, and hope they find a way around anything that's happening. And give Greg support if he starts a project on his own.
PXF: I thought I noticed a bit of something in the last video Greg was in. Jared and Greg seemed to have a disagreement on the formate of the show.
Greg liked the live format and Jared liked the recorded format. I felt that they were in a real disagreement and this may be an issue.
Also in one the raw file edits Jared converted to B&W using a third party add-on and Greg gave him flack for not watching his light room videos. So who knows what the hell happened but it sucks.
I'm sorry but Jareds talk at the apple store was not the best option for a fro show. I did not watch the whole thing because I felt uncomfortable watching.
I though they made a good team because they kept each other in check. I hope this does not become a purely Fro marketing site which seems to be gaining steam.
TomShootsPhoto: Whats bad is that Jared doesn't let Greg do what Greg started....
He wrote that on his site:
"I got word a few days ago from Jared that he doesn't want me to post on his website or nurture the community I started in July anymore."
And the site was perfect when they were doing it together, i agree with everyone.
Shaggy: Damn...
Don't get me wrong, I love Jared and his method of thinking in the world of photography. Thinking outside the regulated lines.
But!!!, I do feel that Greg is 50% of the driving force behind the success of the video's and posts. Greg has the ability to show and teach us Normal people things that
Jared doesn't go in to. I love how Greg chooses his subjects end explains so people can actually benefit from the techniques and improve themselves.
I hop they can get back as the great team they are, if not it's a big los for the Fro site and show. I do hope Greg finds the time and energy to create his own informative vid's and chat's.
Life is to short for arguments, act adult and get over it. Shame a good show might receive damage this way...
kojack_0: In my opinion, Jared is too opinionated when it comes to photography. Though he does help beginners get in the right track, that's all there is to it. Greg went beyond that and added the technical help.
I don't know, but sometimes I don't watch videos Jared makes because it's almost always repetitive.
TOPIC: Dissapointed.
sahguerreiro: Well, now we know the thing is really ugly.. they deleted the topid about Greg..
vinnyvette: What happened?
Panda Jerk: i dont want to get too involved. But if greg leaves. I'll be leaving for a while too.
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I don't understand...so he like kicked you out of your own club?
Mike
It's his website, I was the webmaster and redesigned the site a few months back. I also had the forum/community idea back in July. As for the why I can't answer that.
Be Safe Be Well,
Brother....
Kevin
Thanks! Once I get my locker I'll post some photos of my new (temporary, rented) gear. My permanent gear will take some time to come in.
Not exactly. Yes, I did the technical stuff but I am an photographer first and websites are secondary.
I ment that we learn all what is photography techniques from you, I started my comment by saying that I loved your work and I aim to achieve your level of composition and playing with light in a way that flatters the subjects without even noticing that strobes had been used to realize the shot... this is the stile I just LOVE!
Greg, I must say it is a shame you are not going to team up ( for now? ) I hope things work out, professionally, as well as personally.
I really enjoy your video's and learn a lot from you. It would be a great miss if you were to stop making them. But understandably, putting bread on the table has the priority.
I do hop you will still post the occasionally video and web-based talk. Jared might be "The Fro" But remember you are "Big" Greg Cazillo, a big man, with an even bigger heart and an understanding of photography... And the gift of explaining it so we "the People" can understand and learn from it.
Greg, I hope to see and here from you soon, you're to good a guy to be missed.
Thanks again, and all the best to you and yours.
Remco van de Sanden
The Netherlands.
I noticed that too...
I agree. Just deleted posts, sweeping things under the rug as it were, isn't going to help anything.
GREG! Make some video's please!
I totally agree.. comes across as in a way of saying I am right I dont need anyone.. a shame if that is the case, lets hope we are wrong. Just dont over opinionate these guys though
George
I hope you continue to create videos, Greg. I for one would love for you to continue to share your very valuable technical knowledge and experience. I wish you all the best!
Hey everyone subscribe to Gregs youtube channel
Best wishes from Argentina
P.S - someone else stated it, but the last show at the Apple Store,,,, I couldn't watch it,,, I hope the content of the website does not suffer,,,,
I took my first flash photo at night because of you and made it to the center piece of a magazine. You helped me understand things a bit clear and why having options are important. I also feel that he pushes all these products to make extra money off of his followers. I would never even consider buying anything at all because he makes it seem that if you stop buying the products, he will stop giving information. Really? Seems a bit cocky. lol …and let's not talk about that HORRENDOUS Apple show. WTF was he thinking? He had almost no right answers and what he gave you can find online anywhere else. I wish you the best of luck Greg in any future endeavors you may have...
Best wishes on future endeavors.
Last thing: Jared deleting the Greg discussion on the forum was a really immature move. His "personal statement" video isn't much better. Reading a piece of paper... really?
I dont think it was Gregs Club Mike, Jared owns the site as Greg said himself, although I will say this.. time will tell how boy the guys get on by thier own, I personally would like to see sperate channels and teaching, as a comparision, then its up to everyone to choose from there.
Agreed, immature & to read from a piece of paper shows that the words dont come from his heart, its not a heartfelt statement.. a shame
I hope that you continue to be the great photographer and teacher you are. Your passion for your craft and your willingness to share your knowledge is a major part of why myself and a lot of other people watch your vids. Best of luck too you and hope to see much more to come from you because losing your knowledge and help would be a big loss to people like me just trying to become pros in the photography game.
Dave
Personally I like both Greg and Jared's videos, you both have different styles and you balanced the site out very well. Even if Jared is a little cocky at times.
I can say this though, as others have. I thought it was very immature of Jared to remove the original forum post, and also unlike Greg's Facebook page.
I do hope things get patched up, but if not I wish the both of you the best of luck.
I've been a fan since September or so and I've learned a tremendous amount. My photography has improved 1000 fold and my wife and I have started our own wedding videography company as a side job (4 clients in 1.5 months already!) and I attribute a lot of my success to you guys.
I really hope you guys make up. If not, please do us all a favor and stay an active teacher on the web.
Good luck for both of you.
I highly doubt Jared deleted the threads himself. More than likely it was one of the couple admins who pretty much govern the forums. Anthony would probably be the likely candidate. Some of the admins / moderators are quick to delete and or close threads if they get some heated discussion going on.
No matter the circumstances, I hope that it's not the end for Greg and Jared to be seen together and to work together. Maybe they need a breather for a bit. I completely know how it is to have different opinions when running a web based business or media outlet. Going into business with your friends can sometimes be a tough journey.
I'm sorry to hear what's happening. To be brief I just want to say please make a YouTube channel, it's so much more convenient and more fun! Keep doing the kinds of videos you did! I will subscribe! You don't need to be as fun and talkative as Jared! I only care about what you share and teach!
And to be honest with you I was getting tired of Jared's constant "boom boom pow" Raw edits... I wasn't really learning! Teach us more about flash, how to review used gear, etc... And as you put it once in his vid, yes, he has that cocky tone in his voice that was also getting tiring sometimes...
A fan!
I had already lost interest in the Fro's website in the past few weeks, mostly due to the fact that the contents seems to repeat itself and to a hike in advertising.
And now this... This is the end of FKP for me as well.
I'm hoping you will start something on your own, hopefully not as big as FKP. Your series on flash photography was excellent has really got my interest in strobist work started...
So thanks Greg and the best of luck to you!
You and Jared evidently go back a long time. Unfortunate that an endeavor such as this would become a shoehorn between you two.
John
Man, make your own youtube channel and sign with "Greg Cazillo". Make your own name heard on the web. We'll all subscribe, be sure of that ! Go, Go, Go
Waiting for you channel!
Thanks,
Daki
LINK for SUBSCRIBE to YOUTUBE CHANNEL:
www.youtube.com/user/gregorycazillo#p/u/0/sdimsCYcDME
www.youtube.com/user/gregorycazillo#p/u/0/sdimsCYcDME
P.S. Feel kind of weird wearing the “I Shoot Raw” shirt. When Jared wrote
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=s1g7_r7XRVc
to see how many people loved you on the show and disagrees with jareds decision.
Honestly, I'm not really a fan of Greg's but he's a good teacher and he'll have no trouble building his own audience.
And everyone here should remember that there are three sides to this story - Jared's version, Greg's version, and what actually happened.
Emotions run high when business goes sour.
Exactly. I don't like Jared, looks worse than amateur photographer, he is also using his grandma for his purpose.
I hope you both remember the reason you created the blog in the first place, you're love of photography.
Keep taking images and don't let it get you down...there are plenty more blogs to start.
Yeah, I disagree with that sentiment. I believe Greg is a superior artist when it comes to editing RAW files. I like a good amount of contrast, but I dont immediately jack the contrast to 100 on every single photo I edit. Jared has his own style and I dont fault him for that. What I do fault him for is calling out people for not shooting RAW and making fun of them, and at the same time not fully understanding how to use Lightroom proficiently. I mean whats the point of shooting RAW if you dont know how to properly use the software to develop those files? Just saying "You guys know I like a lot of contrast so lets jack that all the way up" and "Fill Light? Hmmm..lets see what that does..OOOOH AHHHH..er NO Fill light is GAY" sounds like a 15 year old trying to teach. Jared has a lot of growing up to do.
Just found that picture. Its sad loosing a friend like this.
i'm not sure it's the best way to help him out showing pics like these!!! :)
Exactly, I have been following Jared's videos for about the same length of time. It's not going to pan out well for the brand if Jared keeps this up. Just read the comments people are jumping ship left and right.
RR
just wanted to say how much ive learnt from you and your 50% part of froknows. Jared has handled this totally wrong and has gone down in my view.
keep up the good work, and if you do set up any projects you have my support.
Regards
Joe
http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeBoyVlog?feature=mhum
The last version from the Apple store was terrible IMO. Especially the sound was missing from all of the guest, witch I stated on the Facebook site. Then Jared replied that I was harsh and deleted my post because I was being critical about the show?!
Jared doesn't like critique of his pictures, his RAW edit (you know that), so he just started sensoring everything?!
I really liked the site and your cheerful friendship, but that's kind of gone now.
What bothers me the most is that he's not objective at all. Everything Think Tank makes is the best, Nikon, Black Rapid etc. I understand that they are sponsors, but it's just too much.
I really hope that you will solve whatever issues you have, but I have little faith. Regardless of that, I very much wish to see more from
That sums it up exactly. Very well put.
P.S. Hurry Greg, getting no flash tutorial withdrawls mate!
Anyway - I understand why you don't want to leap back into production of a show and blog, but I hope you upload videos to youtube.
1. FKP is big now (over 1,000,000 page hits);
2. Jared's youtube channel has over 20,000 subscribers;
3. After this success, Fro goes crazy;
4. Jared censored (direct or indirect via website admin/moderator ) many users point of view;
5. Jared goes for Dictator thing, and it seems to like that. Oh, "Gizzy bring me the juice", "x" bring me the donuts, etc;
6. Greg has different opinions vs Jared
7. Money is Money
PS Gizzy, you are the "juice man" if you do not know that for now ;)
Greg comes across more sincere and I don't think he's acting here.
Jared on the other hand pushed a bit too hard in the last weeks, coining egomaniacal terms like "Fro-ing".
I don't have the slightest idea what brought both apart but sometimes minuscule things are getting worse over time and explode eventually - however unjust to one party.
*Not* knowing why one gets booted (returning the keys - no less) is just not acceptable, IMHO, and I would've pursued this to the end before making a public statement.
Whatever the truth - I hope both return to what they can do best:
- Greg teaching us
- Jared making fat jokes and selling T-shits ;-)
All the best to you!
All this is too bad Greg, I enjoyed your participation on his site.
i too had some problems with sending shirts to portugal.. but he was realy sympathetic and said he would give the money back.Still, he hasn't and it has been almost two months since i ordered it.. i am realy sorry because my boyfriend loved the tee! i'd rather pay a little bit more and have a tracking number..
Greg and Gizzy need to team up! WAY cooler than some skinny hyperactive egomaniac on drugs. Do it!
Wow! Don't you sound like a childish little prick? Grow up!
yeah but he also put some time and effort in videos and posts. I'm tending to side with Greg on what I know but I still think there's no need for insults and hard words. both have put some time in the website and i know i've learnt a lot from it, both from jared and greg.
..... And ME, quit talking about childish pricks. What are ya? A child molester?
Yep. Childish prick right there. I rest my case.
As for Jared himself, lets just let him do his thing and see how far he gets, I honestly cannot see the FKP site being busy for much longer except the replies in the latest thread.. I would hate to see people asking Greg why he has people commenting in a somwhat bad manner to some guy called jared/fro on Gregs site.. remember we all want is the best for Greg, so lets keep it clean so Gregs site can grow and we can get him (hopefully) to do his thing on here... as someone said, hope Gizzy will team up, then again Gizzy has been missing, Greg seems to be coping great..
Steve M.
Like Hank said " I hope you take this as an opportunity"
I watch froknows for genuine professional advice to take my photography towards a professional standard. Jared is so predictable with his advice, it was always Greg that provided the interesting insights and angle. Froknows will not be the same without Greg! I think Jared might regret this day. Greg you have a supporter here if you wished to set up your own video site. I have unsubscribed from froknows and I encourage others to do the same- a mark to show support for Greg.
Good Luck Greg, I'll be watching...
God bless you